i agree cuz i find it rather hard (sometimes frustrating) to comment on every single artwork i fave i've been doing so for months now, what started me was a stamp that said something like "i hate favewhores" & before then i only commented when i either had a question or if i had something to say & since then i felt kind of like i HAD to comment if i wanted to fave
but yeah, people should be more grateful that we even take any notice at all & this is just the stamp i needed to see
I would vouch for the opposite: A favourite is nothing compared to a comment. A comment means so much more. Now I don't demand a comment for every favourite, because that'd be unreasonable. But if people go around and fave stuff without commenting and feel proud for doing so, then I get upset. Upset to a point where I even compiled a list of rebuttals to all the reasons (at least the ones I've seen) people give for not commenting. If you're interested: [link]
I understand that a comment is better than a favorite but for me, personally, I would rather +fav than leave a pointless one-liner. I have more favorites than comments on my work but, again, I'll take that over a "good work" any day. A truly observational comment takes time and effort and like you said, some people are just here to look at art and collect their favorites.
I do agree with this stamp. I do like comments with constructive criticsm or meaningful complimenting, but I'll never require someone to comment if they like my work and people who do require that tend to get very heavily on my last nerve.
This describes me exactly. I hate having to put "OMG that was a great picture", because I don't feel like it contributes that much, except potentially stroking the ego of the artist. Faving the work says that you think it was a good picture already, and I do note that I loved the picture if they then thank me for +faving, simply because it seems like the kind response.
Honestly, if you're going to force people to comment, you are basically promoting "comment atrophy", or the picture just being loaded with "ZOMG I LOVE THIS" types of comments. If I have something funny, particularly kind, or constructive to say, I'll say it. You don't need to force me to do so.
I understand that it is the author's right to demand comments on their work, and I can understand situations where you would want that (If you are a new artist and you want constructive criticism, for example). It mainly bugs me when you have older, already popular artists, who still demand that people comment on their work, and get angry if they don't.
I suppose what I'm getting at is that +faving this because I find the basic idea ridiculous (except in select situations, such as the one I've already mentioned). Also, ZOMG GREAT STAMP!!111.
princessgaaraFeatured By OwnerMar 31, 2010 Traditional Artist
No, they shouldn't be more grateful. When somebody posts on here and they ask that certain things be done with their art, from asking not to take it without permission to seemingly stupid things like comments, people are obligated to respect that. It's that person's work and they can dictate what happens with it. You may not like it, I don't always like it, but we don't really get to decide because it's not our work. I'm assuming you'd never steal somebody's art if they asked you not to, right? Then how is commenting before adding it to your favorites any different?
princessgaaraFeatured By OwnerApr 4, 2010 Traditional Artist
No, I'm not venting anything, and yes I know the difference. I don't need an explanation. Don't bother with an apology. xD
- "When you demand a comment, you're demanding for an action composed by time and effort." Yeah, and creating said piece you want feedback for is an action composed of time and effort, is it not? Far more time and effort than what it would take to leave a comment. I don't see why people have to act like this is the biggest inconvenience in the world for them. It's really not that hard to follow up on. Why should an artist be more grateful to a bunch of people who are going to be rude to them about leaving feedback?
- "When you demand them to not steal your art, you're demanding for respect of your time and effort." And when you ask for feedback and people ignore you anyway, that's disrespect for your time and effort. Stealing and neglecting the artist's request are two different things, I know (sorry I didn't explain that line of thought clear enough), but I see them both as being disrespectful. The point I was trying to make is that if somebody asks you not to steal their work, you'd probably honor that, so why would you ignore anything else the artist asks for? Get it now?
I know comments and favorites are something given to you, but I grow rather tired of the arrogant attitude people take about it. "I fav'd your work so you should stfu and lick muh ass cuz my favorites equal 100 comments!" Um, no. I'm not saying everybody is like that, but there's quite a few that are. I find it difficult to be thankful to somebody who acts like that. Artists that request some feedback are always made out to be the bad guys and I don't think that's fair. They aren't perfect either by any stretch of the imagination, but a lot of them don't even ask rudely or anything yet lots of people give them a hard time. Search around dA a little bit and you'll understand why people even make the request to begin with. It's not because they feel entitled so much as it's usually because for them, favorites aren't informative enough. Yeah, it's cool when someone likes your work, but that doesn't tell them how to improve does it?
I honestly don't see why it's such a big deal to leave a comment. Is it because people seriously don't have anything to say or is that a way to say they're lazy without actually saying it? "Please if you fav, explain why it stood out for you. I'm curious." "Fuck you, I'll just ignore what you said....whiney emo bitch." <---- More often than not that seems to be the scenario. lol
Well, let me start by saying that I don't mind artists asking for comments at all, they're obviously entitled to do so, the problem arises when they make it a 'requirement'.
Truth is we live in the real world. If we want comments then we need to be patient and wait for our art to get exposure and be inspiring enough to evoke comments from people.
We'd gain very little demanding comments because:
a) Most people already have other things to do.
b) An artist making a comment a 'requirement' instead of something optional will most likely discourage them from commenting because they would be doing something they HAD to do instead of something they WANTED to do.
c) Because they're doing something they HAD to do, it's less likely they'll feel it'll be appreciated.
d) Some or most people find the art while browsing and are not aware of the artist wanting comments. Or they don't read the description because they're on a collecting spree.
e) There are millions of artists out there and they don't get to stop and know each and every one. If they did that they would end up with a full time job and no paycheck.
f) Some people come to DA just to look at art and collect art to their favorites. They do this so much that if they were to leave a comment on each and every single piece of art... well, they'd end up not wanting to favorite anymore.
g) Not everyone has something to say. Keep in mind that people are different. Some people know why they like things, and others don't. Some that don't take the time to think it through and point the finger at it, and others don't even know where to start. Not everyone is an art critic by nature.
h) Some can be shy. Believe it or not, there are people out there who panic about commenting. 'What if I say something stupid?', 'What if I just hit a nerve?', 'What if...'.
i) I could keep going but you can get the idea by now. People have different reasons to not leave comments.
So is demanding comments going to help? Not really. It doesn't help you, it doesn't help them. Instead, trying to look at things in another perspective would do both sides well. If you can see that there is indeed things to be grateful for a favorite you'll be happier with them. A favorite means someone saw your work and liked it (unless he was just trying to advertise himself by leaving +favs everywhere, but that's not always the case) so what if they couldn't do more?
Of course, a comment is worth 100+ +favs, but still, a +fav is a +fav. Something to be thankful for instead of angry at.
I'm trying to sound logical here because I'm not promoting conformism. So really. It just saves trouble in both ends, so why not just be grateful?
princessgaaraFeatured By OwnerApr 5, 2010 Traditional Artist
I am grateful. I personally don't ask for people not to "fav n' run" because it doesn't bother me for my work. I know people have other things to do and I don't care for the "omg kewl" comments so if they just wanna fav instead, fantastic. What irritates me is the fact that people don't read the description and respect what others want. Most people don't ask for comments and that's fine, but the small group that wants it for whatever reason is just that: a small group. Therefore I don't see how it's so much trouble to comply every once in a while. If you can't give that particular artist your time, then don't fav it right now, especially if they're one of "those" artists. lol
I understand what you're getting at completely, and it IS logical. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm promoting conformism. That's honestly something that didn't cross my mind. xD I'm trying to promote respect for the artist and their work.
I'm willing to bet most of the problem comes from people not reading the artist's description. >.< I don't think the artist needs to be rude about it, but maybe they've been polite up until now and are sick of reminding people that they wanted feedback when they said so in the description. That at least warrents them to be curt, especially to the suspicious "fav n' run" guy....you know, the one that fav's every single freaking deviation you have AND adds you to their watchlist but can't be bothered to comment? That's just weird. I KNOW I'm not alone on that one. lol
Hey, this is old but PrincessGaara (Gaaraa a guy lolwut), I'm one of the fav n' runs, I guess you could say. There have been two people I put on my watchlist that I favourited almost all of their gallery, cuz I liked ALL of those pictures a lot. Some people just have a certain style that I find amazing. But I don't comment much, usually just to ask a question about something. If I favourite, I like it. If I don't, I don't like it. My standard for faving is pretty high, and if I were to comment, I usually wouldn't have much to say cuz it looks fantastic to me. If I don't fav, well, that means I think it's stupid, or ugly, or something...lol, which means all I could say would be mean stuff. Or I don't care either way, which means I also have nothing to say. >_< Just wanted you to see how the fav 'n run guy sees it xD
princessgaaraFeatured By OwnerMar 8, 2011 Traditional Artist
That sounds a lot like me now. xD My opinion changed over time and now is "Weeeeeeell, if you're going to post into the great blacker-than-the-blackest black void that is dA and expect people to actually read what you say AND obey it, well then, Meeser Superman, he no here. No, no...he no here." And that's what I think about that! YOOSSSssssssshhhhhhhh. By the way, my sleep meds make me trip balls and that comment probably made no sense.
i admit that i fav and run..because i have alot of things on my watch list to go through and i have such a short attention span...i sometimes also usualy only fav to get back at people that only fav me and dont comment ^^" but i try to comment alot when i do have the time...
oh and i found this stamp on a friends profile, so came to have a peek at it and use it my self. ^^
I like both equally I don't do the whole "OmfG YOU neED COMMENT beFOrE FAV!!11!!! OR I'Ll BE A bUTTHURT ChiLD!!!!11!!!one!!" because just getting my picture added to their favs is a wonderful compliement. People who do do that though seem like attetion whores to me. But this stamp is so true, and I'm really glad I'm not the only one here who thinks that.